Yes, referenda until we get the answer we want. They got their once in a lifetime referendum that everyone, including SNP promised they would follow the results.
If people were set on independence, they would revolt, not vote.
Anony Mous
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Scottish National Party + Nazis
by BoogerMan inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
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Scottish National Party + Nazis
by BoogerMan inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
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Anony Mous
All these polls suffer from severe sampling issues. There is no way the population at large is really that fickle.
Currently the question is if one supports dependence on the UK or dependence on the EU or true independence. The other question is whether it is practical right now to do any of those things. There is a non-zero group that supports devolution and no separated parliament, many of those would probably fall into the ‘stay’ camp if it came to a binary choice.
In other countries, such as Belgium, Netherlands, Russia and the US there are similar people where you could ask the question to get an answer that could be interpreted as separation from the union, whether that is separation from the EU or Flanders from Wallonia. However when push comes to shove, few people agree with a specific plan that is advanced to be implemented.
I think Scotland could become independent if it truly were to remain independent and not just become a province of the EU. Until then the independents are going to be split between those that want to remain independent and those that just want independence as a precursor to dependence on an even worse bureaucracy.
The question is as always, if Scotland leaves, what will they implement instead, capitalism or continue high levels of socialism. They wouldn’t be able to fund maintaining the NHS disaster, they can’t fund joining the EU, they couldn’t even fund the railway disaster that is Scotrail (a 1B GBP annual sinkhole - 10% of total Scottish income tax revenue). The scots are spending 100B GBP on a 60B GBP total tax revenue and have a GDP growth rate 3x lower that of the UK which is in itself already atrocious. Will independence mean doubling or even tripling taxes? It seems unlikely the current generation of SNP will eliminate any of those cost posts, that would make a sensible balanced budget, but even if SNP got sense, will the people that have gotten used to government handouts accept losing that in exchange for more work and a low tax?
As far as Brexit is concerned, becoming independent has caused the UK to lose less during the pandemic than any other country in the EU, According to the International Monetary Fund figures from October, when measured by nominal GDP, the economy of the United Kingdom is 15.13 percent larger than that of number 2 EU member state France. Besides that the GBP has been stronger than the Euro by a wide margin and nominal GDP has increased this year by 8% vs 4% in France, GDP growth in the UK is slightly ahead overall in comparison to the Euro zone. And that is with some disastrous governance that refuses to stop funding the NHS and other welfare boondoggle.
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Do you Attend University scholarly Lectures
by peacefulpete inwe've been privileged to attend a number of outstanding lectures on a wide range of scientific topics, some by now quite famous researchers.
for example, we attended a caltech discussion/lecture by svante paabo not long after his initial work on neanderthal dna was released and met him after the lecture.
he wasn't a dynamic speaker but a humble man who obviously felt more comfortable in the lab than on the podium.
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Anony Mous
I work at a University, so I actually get to do these very often. As much as the WTBTS like to brag about exposing their readers to the wonders of this world, this doesn’t even hold a candle to what these talks talk about.
Surprisingly a lot of it very understandable to anyone with a basic public education. Generally the speciality stuff comes in a separate session that is invite-only.
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Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?
by RULES & REGULATIONS init's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.
i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.
the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.
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Anony Mous
Will it hurt some people: yea. Can you live without them? Unless it is a child, I don’t think it matters much, a lot of people are looking for an excuse, anyone that leaves has the potential to bring with them a lot of people.
After I left, I know a lot of others did too and within a year or so all the congregations in the building merged into a single one. I have an extended family of over 30 people that were raised JW, pioneers, the only one left is my grandmother (the one that started it all in the 1950s) who has now cut herself off completely, it was over 30 years ago since my aunt was the weak one that left “to do immorality” and to get to me the last one that left about 10 years ago, but all of us are free now, took about 20 years.
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UKRAINE: are things SO bad......
by BoogerMan in....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.
beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..
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Anony Mous
I find it interesting that since Brexit, more immigrants have been running away from Western Europe than ever before. If Brexit is so bad for people, and the EU is open arms to immigrants why do these people treat France and Germany like it’s Mexico and Venezuela.
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non US folks and pumpkin pie
by carla insorry, i didn't know how to classify this- on some cooking boards i am on i came across how some do not understand pumpkin pie at all, particularly down under.
there was a whole thread about picking up libby's pumpkin pie filling (and the expense) and then came the subject of vegemite which does not sound good to me but can't say as i have never had it.
with all the sugar and spices what is not to like about it?
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Anony Mous
Pies in general are weird across the world. Where I was growing up, sweets in general weren't in great supply, but a pie was a great way of using up excess fruit after canning/preserving and that's when we got it. In Britain they have meat-based (like pot pies in the US, but more stodgy).
Pumpkin pie and cheesecake and great cuts of steak I didn't get until I got to the US. I think many people make it too sweet, but you can cut the sugar for more flavor. My wife makes amazing Amaretto or Champagne cheesecake.
The first time I came to the US, we went to a steakhouse and they had a 16oz ribeye for $25, I wasn't sure how much 16oz was, or what ribeye meant but any steak for under $30 sounded good, the biggest steak I had seen in my life. It's weird going from a culture where meat was a special side dish to where meat is the main dish and excess is basically affordable for any class of society, like Thanksgiving turkey, steak, burgers.
Vegemite/marmite is classically what's leftover after brewing beer, but it works adding it to some things in small amounts. Basically an umami taste much like seaweed or soy sauce in Asian dishes.
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Scottish National Party + Nazis
by BoogerMan inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.
hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".
arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.
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Anony Mous
Ireland was the same, they court-martialed and prosecuted those that fought in WW2 with the Brits for desertion. They only apologized around a decade ago.
Also the Finnish, Dutch and most people in the Baltic (Ukraine fought on both the Nazi and Soviet side). Many voters in those countries were pining for a takeover by a socialist government and joined the fight against the Allied forces.
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elder school and jabs
by enoughisenough ini watched a video ( can't think which one now.
)..and the presenter said he had been given unverifiable information from an elder's wife that the elders needed to have the "jabs" in order to attend elder school in person now and there wasn't to be a zoom, and if they didn't have the jabs, they needed to contact the branch.
( my thought: when will these toothless lions (elders) wake up and be real men and use their god given intelligence and quit allowing the manipulation?
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Anony Mous
I thought you were required to have the jab in order to REMAIN an elder just a few months ago. So yes, anyone attending should've had the jab, or they wouldn't be an elder.
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Something that bothers me personally
by Blotty in(i apologise if this is the wrong section for this - its the one i think suits best)this may sound really cliché (it does in my opinion) and a first world thing, but it bothers me someone can be like this and spout these "illogical" arguments (among others, which i will list as questions in the near future)i recently (as of 21/11/22) finished up a conversation with someone on a few things - i find one of their "implications" slightly concerning.. they wouldn't accept "evidence" from scholars who seemingly didn't agree with their standpoint which is interesting.
i.e on the divine name, i listed scholars such as george howard - i got the answer "try a real scholar"or another example i cited beduhn as (in my opinion) he is easy to understand but then got told "he doesn't teach greek at a university so his opinion is not valid" - scholars may not cite beduhn, but from looking at other factors he really gets nothing wrong (linguistically)once again i apologise if this is wasting anyone's time.
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Anony Mous
Beduhn is a WTBTS apologist, he is a professor of religious studies, likewise Howard is not a scholar on the subject of translation. His point is that the WTBTS translated in accordance with what he believes is the correct viewpoint, not whether it is accurate word for word.
The truth is that the original writings of the Bible have been lost and most of the extant fragments are already adapted towards the viewpoints of a particular group. So it is possible, but unlikely given Jewish tradition, that the name of God was written down at all, however, what they “meant”, or everyone understood it to mean at the time, or what they did write vs. what was legal to write at the point is open for wide interpretation. Beduhn and WTBTS is one side of the argument, however the majority will say there is no such evidence.
You can argue, like the WTBTS does, by cherry picking from a few scientists that speak well outside the field. Sadly, that is how a lot of science reporting is being done today (especially climate science), you find someone that agrees with your viewpoint argued from eg. sociology and then make that soundbite the accepted narrative even though real scientists will put many disclaimers and say it’s not that easy.
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Noah's Ark - Kentucky
by BoogerMan inregardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?
https://arkencounter.com/ .
the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.
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Anony Mous
A crate would be worse off than a boat. There’s a reason a boat is shaped like a boat and not a shoebox. Even barges have one or more shaped hulls. I think everyone since antiquity knew this fact, hence the tradition of a boat-shaped object.
As pointed out before, a wooden boat that size cannot be physically supported, however even a box the size of a small boat cannot support itself in water, it would simply crack as soon as it got lifted.